Old School Anime Con Footage

The roughly mid-90's and earlier (generally pre-Toonami, pre-anime boom) era of anime & manga fandom: early cons, clubs, tape trading, Nth Generation VHS fansubs, old magazines & fanzines, fandubs, ancient merchandise, rec.arts.anime, and more!
Post Reply
User avatar
Daniel
Site Admin
Posts: 532
Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:56 pm
Anime Fan Since: 199X年
Location: USA

Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by Daniel »

Stumbled upon some con footage on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/oldschoolanimecons/videos


I know that Dennis has some stuff up on YouTube as well: http://www.youtube.com/user/kndynt2099/videos


Let's get a collection going. If anyone else has links to footage uploaded online, please let us know!

If anyone has footage in their own collection (on tape, tapes converted to DVD, etc) that they might be interested in archiving, please get in touch with me. 8-)
davemerrill
Posts: 1278
Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:38 pm
Anime Fan Since: 1984
Location: the YYZ
Contact:

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by davemerrill »

This is from before there were anime cons, more or less: it's labeled "Dragoncon", but it's actually from the 1989 Atlanta Fantasy Fair. Sharp-eyed viewers will note both the Kei and the Yuri of the "Atlanta Dirty Pair" in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3_ntf5flo
SteveH
Posts: 645
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:30 am
Anime Fan Since: 1979/82 (depending)
Location: Michigan and the Sea of Stars
Contact:

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by SteveH »

davemerrill wrote:This is from before there were anime cons, more or less: it's labeled "Dragoncon", but it's actually from the 1989 Atlanta Fantasy Fair. Sharp-eyed viewers will note both the Kei and the Yuri of the "Atlanta Dirty Pair" in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3_ntf5flo
Lord have mercy, LORD have mercy!

How very ghetto and low-tech it all was, huh? OCEANS of comic boxes. Mainly male, even given the cameraman's attempts to focus on the cute gals.

Matt, Leslie and Lauren on the escalator made me smile and want to laugh. Dude had epic hair and a look of "I don't want to be here".

Ah, how cute Lauren's butt was. I mean, probably still is but, you know.

How can things like that have been an entire GENERATION ago? How? It doesn't seem right somehow.

I mean, THINK about it. Barely the internet. Cell Phones were a magical Sci-Fi idea. VHS was king. For the most part friendships were maintained by phone or mailing letters or something. National geek news was mostly transmitted by Starlog magazine.

We've gained so much by advances (as my writing here shows, right? :) ) but I think we lost something too. Not exactly sure what, I don't have the words other than to fumble with 'soul' or 'special' or 'enchantment'.
_D_
Posts: 795
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:21 pm
Anime Fan Since: 1978

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by _D_ »

SteveH wrote:
davemerrill wrote:This is from before there were anime cons, more or less: it's labeled "Dragoncon", but it's actually from the 1989 Atlanta Fantasy Fair. Sharp-eyed viewers will note both the Kei and the Yuri of the "Atlanta Dirty Pair" in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3_ntf5flo
Lord have mercy, LORD have mercy!

How very ghetto and low-tech it all was, huh? OCEANS of comic boxes. Mainly male, even given the cameraman's attempts to focus on the cute gals.

Matt, Leslie and Lauren on the escalator made me smile and want to laugh. Dude had epic hair and a look of "I don't want to be here".

Ah, how cute Lauren's butt was. I mean, probably still is but, you know.

How can things like that have been an entire GENERATION ago? How? It doesn't seem right somehow.

I mean, THINK about it. Barely the internet. Cell Phones were a magical Sci-Fi idea. VHS was king. For the most part friendships were maintained by phone or mailing letters or something. National geek news was mostly transmitted by Starlog magazine.

We've gained so much by advances (as my writing here shows, right? :) ) but I think we lost something too. Not exactly sure what, I don't have the words other than to fumble with 'soul' or 'special' or 'enchantment'.
My bud in Chicago worked on the first cell phones for Motorola back in the 1970s. He's still a good friend and is the reason I was able to get at least some stuff out to the UK in 1987 as PAL conversions as he had his own digital standards converter! Outside of TV stations, no one I knew at the time had such a thing. Conversions were usually "camera copies" made by pointing a camera at the TV screen and recording with the other TV standard equipment. I still have some of those tapes. He was also the founder of epguides: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epguides

The Internet did exist but the World Wide Web was a 1990s construct. Prior to that though we had Usenet and BBS systems. That's how savvy fans kept in touch. But yeah, lots was done by snail mail and telephone prior to that.

Beta was still a viable format up until the mid 1980s with there still being much hardware production as well as commercials for new equipment. I was still receiving most anime tapes from my contact in Nagasaki on Beta up until the late 1980s. And maybe it's good that happened as those tapes have held up quite well for all these years.

I still have to transfer con footage from the ones I attended 1987 - 2000. Some stuff I have put up previous on Youtube but later removed or else never put up, like the talk with Reed Waller and Kate Worley on Omaha The Cat Dancer done at a con in 1992. I gave a copy years ago to Kate's husband after her death but never made the thing available otherwise. Then there are the Dr. Who convention footage, Winnipeg area conventions, Worldcons, etc. NO MORE TIME...
SteveH
Posts: 645
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:30 am
Anime Fan Since: 1979/82 (depending)
Location: Michigan and the Sea of Stars
Contact:

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by SteveH »

Hey, D!

Keep in mind, I was there, you know? I remember AOL chatrooms, Cornerstone Conferences, Jerry plugging an extra keyboard into his 512k Mac.

While cell phones may have been developed in the '70s (and I recall Popular Science articles about the same, including the 'just around the corner' realization of the 'Dick Tracy 2-way Wrist Radio'), there were clearly rich man's toys for a good long time. The early ones were of course more a portable radio telephone-a mature technology, not until the phone companies started seriously putting up the microwave repeater towers did we get 'Cell Phones' as we know them now.

While there was still product being released on Beta (as well as 8mm videotape) format in '89, for all practical purposes it was a dead format for home use.

NTSC to PAL conversions were usually done by multi-format VCRs which could be bought in downtown Chicago, I can say where but in our oh-so-PC world it would make me sound horrible. Oh screw it, we're all adults. They called it 'Paki Town' then. Lots of Arab/Pakistani electronic stores selling very unusual equipment. If you needed a VCR to handle PAL or SEACAM that was where you went. I always wanted one of those machines. :)
_D_
Posts: 795
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:21 pm
Anime Fan Since: 1978

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by _D_ »

George had all that. As a Motorola engineer, he had the disposable income to indulge in his pet hobbies. Yeah, some of the people here in town I know had multi system VCRs back in the day but conversion vcrs didn't come out til much later. The Panasonic AG-W1 was to die for at the time. George though had a dedicated conversion unit he got from a TV station that had decided to upgrade. Without him doing some of the conversions, the first tapes I took to the UK back in 1987 would not have happened. Then, we got stiffed by the Worldcon video room in Brighton who would not allow us to show the fan subbed "Wings of Honneamise" NTSC tape I had brought. Instead, we watched it on a 5" NTSC portable that Mark Merlino had brought with him. I ended up leaving all the tapes I had with me in the UK anyway as it wasn't feasible to bring them back. I shot a bunch of video for that con but not much that was anime related as that fandom was just in its initial stages in the UK at the time.

I dug out my old 300 baud modem I built back in the day but have lost it again in the clutter. I remember getting a US Robotics 1200 baud and being amazed at the speed. And here today, my 25 Mbps connection is considered (by me) to be too slow and I'm considering an upgrade to 100 Mbps...
davemerrill
Posts: 1278
Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:38 pm
Anime Fan Since: 1984
Location: the YYZ
Contact:

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by davemerrill »

SteveH wrote:
davemerrill wrote:This is from before there were anime cons, more or less: it's labeled "Dragoncon", but it's actually from the 1989 Atlanta Fantasy Fair. Sharp-eyed viewers will note both the Kei and the Yuri of the "Atlanta Dirty Pair" in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3_ntf5flo
Lord have mercy, LORD have mercy!

How very ghetto and low-tech it all was, huh? OCEANS of comic boxes. Mainly male, even given the cameraman's attempts to focus on the cute gals.

Matt, Leslie and Lauren on the escalator made me smile and want to laugh. Dude had epic hair and a look of "I don't want to be here".

Ah, how cute Lauren's butt was. I mean, probably still is but, you know.

How can things like that have been an entire GENERATION ago? How? It doesn't seem right somehow.

I mean, THINK about it. Barely the internet. Cell Phones were a magical Sci-Fi idea. VHS was king. For the most part friendships were maintained by phone or mailing letters or something. National geek news was mostly transmitted by Starlog magazine.

We've gained so much by advances (as my writing here shows, right? :) ) but I think we lost something too. Not exactly sure what, I don't have the words other than to fumble with 'soul' or 'special' or 'enchantment'.
Matt still has the look, and most of the hair, surprisingly enough. I haven't seen Leslie in years and years and years - 1996? 1997? - but last I heard she still had long black hair. Lauren does NOT have the "Kei" hair and hasn't since the mid 90s, which we should all be thankful for since it took about eight cans of hair spray to get it up like that. I wanna say that's the third iteration of their Dirty Pair outfits - they did the TV show costumes, the movie costumes, the OVA costumes, and a set based on the Yas illustrations from the novels (as seen in the Crusher Joe movie). And of course I didn't have a camera at the time. I know there are lots of pix out there, though. The three of them wound up in a 1990 issue of Animage, photos by Jack Thielpape of Austin TX.

In looking at the 1989 AFF footage, it's striking to me how many women are at the con - I remember the attendance being skewed heavily male, and naturally the cameraman was giving more attention to the females, but still, that's a lotta gals at the AFF. Proof too that the costuming culture was alive and well before anybody knew what 'cosplay' was.

I'm pretty sure that at the time this footage was shot I was either in the anime room or in a room party somewhere.

You know, I was there at the time, but I don't know if the things we've lost were worth keeping, really. It was hard work being an anime fan in 1989; I was so busy running the anime club and working the anime rooms and making sure we had a hotel room to sleep in and a room party to have fun at and everybody had a ride to and from the event that I can't remember a damn thing about the 1989 Atlanta Fantasy Fair that sets it apart from the 1988 AFF or the 1990 AFF, other than the venue. After the con was over I'd be copying tapes for somebody or writing somebody a letter or hauling junk to a club meeting or printing a club zine.

'89 was after the local C/FO imploded (because I got tired of doing all the work) and before Anime-X started up (the provisions of which were that I was not going to do all the work). Most of my anime fandom at the time was person to person, which was still a bunch of work.

I was in college in 1989, I should have been concentrating on my classes instead of showing "Project A-Ko" or, god forbid, "Star Dipwads" to a room full of nerds. Maybe I could have gotten a job that paid more than minimum wage (in 1989, let's see, working part time in my uncle's frame store, working the stock room at Macy's, maybe.) But anime was such a precious thing at the time that certainly I felt that I couldn't let one convention pass without being there, I couldn't let one connection slip through my fingers if I could possibly keep it.

What I remember most about 1989-1991 in terms of anime fandom is mostly frustration. Broke, burned out, and cut off from the series I liked by a flood of newer shows I had no interest in and a total lack of access to the kind of connections that COULD get me the shows i was interested in. No wonder I started spending my free time on girls! Access to beer and garage bands every Saturday night, somewhere.

For more information on the Atlanta Fantasy Fair, please consult http://atlantafantasyfair.blogspot.ca/
SteveH
Posts: 645
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:30 am
Anime Fan Since: 1979/82 (depending)
Location: Michigan and the Sea of Stars
Contact:

Re: Old School Anime Con Footage

Post by SteveH »

Well, '89, I was in a similar place in many ways. Not exactly burned out but feeling that "I've seen it all" kind of ennui. Let's see. '89, I finally shook off my last horrible job crash, got the Warehouse Manager job at Children's Palace (which, of course, would end horribly), there was the occasional trip out Chicago way or Detroit for stuff, and then '92 came and A-Kon and Giant Robo and meeting Dave and the Atlanta crew and the Dallas crew and all that good stuff.

Oh, and there was my personal disaster of Babelcon '88, where I was completely sabotaged and lost money I didn't have. But the con itself was a success. All who attended had a good time. I went out of the game with head held high.

I still can't believe that all that was Lauren's real hair. Serious dedication, there.

Yeah, bummed out and burned out and broke-ass I think pretty much describes our entire anime generation at that point.

Not like today! (check sarcasm filter)

But consider: After years of knowing that Pony Toy had all the cool stuff, then suddenly Chicago HAS a Pony Toy, and I'm grooving on all kinds of stuff then suddenly WHAM the bottom drops out of the Dollar/Yen exchange rate, Pony Toy goes bust after struggling along for a year with super insane prices...

Scored some cool junk there.

Crazy ass time, '89-92
Post Reply